The Electric Revolution is truly here and what does it do to the ICE AGE?

[Demonic Cat]

Autonomous cars @ the track...nothing more than a grown up video game...no thanks...I'll still be on the deserted backroads..far from the crowd...giglin and smilin ear to ear...

I am with you 71 Demon. I would see Ya on that back mexico road grinning ear to ear. Even if I ever do get a Electric all wheel drive that could push your eye balls into the front of ya brain, I will still own a piece of American dinosaur DNA burning Blown Injected rolling nostalgia.

 

[1971demon]

The new electric car does 312 MPH.

sure...on your planet...

 

[Markp]

Change the thread name to The Political Electric Revolution.

 

[jroyk]

I’ll be a believer when city and highway snowplows are EV. (Probably not anytime soon)

 

[Demonic Cat]

BTW, that's JUST for the USA, not for the planet, and apparently 468GW is $1,400,000,000,000.00

Anybody know where that would come from?

Not to mention the distribution system to get the power to end user consumer. The infrastructure is already stained in many area of the US to begin with. It has major ricochet effects if a large sector of energy is shifted dramatically and to fast. Energy is at 6.2 %. Of GDP. Just as an example I remember about 12 years ago assisting in Fogging manholes with vaporized liquid nitrogen spray bars fed down into tunnels to lower underground electric lines by thermal drafting one end of the street opened manhole and other end opened. It did work the cables were shot with thermal imaging and IR From above. The old strained conductors and a transformer station overheated and exploded. This transformer was in a large building many times the size of a house. It was very hot sustained heat wave electric demand was high along with ambient air around all electrical infrastructure it made for a electric demand that was not able to be met. I saw many many 40’And 60’ catipillar trailer gen sets of multiple Megawatt plus scatered around the city. Many oil delivery trucks scattered about ready to top off as the onboard tanks were consumed. That left an indelible impression of power production and distribution network failure that won’t fade quickly for me. So it is my belief that energy load can’t be shifted to quickly if the infrastructure can’t support it. And if you were able to shift it fast it could have a economic effect. Just my .02

 

[Av8ing1]

So this thing would eat a lot of juice. If you had solar though...ok so looks like the battery pack is likely a bit more than 200kWh.

Daily driving this beast maybe I use the equivalent of two full charges a week, 400kWh, so in a month 1600kWh. Plus summer time other home electrical use, say 800kWh a month. In total I need 2400kWh a month.
So per https://www.gogreensolar.com/pages/how-many-solar-panels-do-i-need I need 74 to 80 panels on my roof...damn, not going to fit.
I'll probably be gone during the day when the panels are making power so I'll have to buy how many Tesla power walls?

Oh hell, this is going to cost a fortune...and I need a bigger house...screw it I'll just get a TRX.

 

[Demonic Cat]

So this thing would eat a lot of juice. If you had solar though...ok so looks like the battery pack is likely a bit more than 200kWh.

Daily driving this beast maybe I use the equivalent of two full charges a week, 400kWh, so in a month 1600kWh. Plus summer time other home electrical use, say 800kWh a month. In total I need 2400kWh a month.
So per https://www.gogreensolar.com/pages/how-many-solar-panels-do-i-need I need 74 to 80 panels on my roof...damn, not going to fit.
I'll probably be gone during the day when the panels are making power so I'll have to buy how many Tesla power walls?

Oh hell, this is going to cost a fortune...and I need a bigger house...screw it I'll just get a TRX.

‘Elementary Watson. Found a problem, found a fix. Good on you !

 

[DGatzby]

Apparently a typical power plant is 500MW, so that's 780 new plants (give or take)

Each state gets, on average, 16 new plants.

A state like California probably gets a lion's share of that number, while less populated states get only a few???

Let's see a state like California approve something like 50 new plants...

@DGatzby, correct any or all of this nonsense I've posted.

Your good. A few 400MW things being thrown around now. Some plans for up to 800+/- at one place.

But the multiples in states? Ha, I have not seen ONE become feasible in the whole land yet!! But, we are working hard.

50 ea 500 MW plants in CA. < I don’t have enough of those to let you know how hard I am laughing.

Now take those numbers and put some cash on them. Say one of those shiny new 500 Mw plants? Got a spare 1.5-2 billion on ya?

Okay, let’s go green! Some of us are in, you will need to cover the earth in solar cells and wind mills.

Hey California how is it really going?

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=38912

^^^

I found one reference that says we need 468 GW (Yes, Gigawatts) more capacity for us to convert to EV.

@DGatzby, how many plants is 468GW?

1-2 GW plants are giant. We are not going to find 468 more GW in our lifetimes. Not happening.

 

[DGatzby]

BTW, that's JUST for the USA, not for the planet, and apparently 468GW is $1,400,000,000,000.00

Anybody know where that would come from?

I would have to get a calc, but it don’t seem like enough zeros.

 

[BULL]

I would have to get a calc, but it don’t seem like enough zeros.

It's a quote (estimate) from a site I found on the web. I have no idea how credible it is or isn't

It's a ton regardless...

 

[DGatzby]

It's a quote (estimate) from a site I found on the web. I have no idea how credible it is or isn't

It's a ton regardless...

I’ll help with my web quote. Had to get up and grab some help. 438Gw will be about 1.6425 to the 12th power. I agree, that is a pretty good guess Sir.

Building them all in 2020 $$$ now

 

[BULL]

I’ll help with my web quote. Had to get up and grab some help. 438Gw will be about 1.6425 to the 12th power. I agree, that is a pretty good guess Sir.

Building them all in 2020 $$$ now

And as mentioned above, that's JUST the plants, not the grid to support them, correct?

And I can't help but think that the SAME people that want to convert to EVehicles, will shit bricks when we start to build 800ish powerplants. If not them, then their cousins the Environmentalists...

 

[DGatzby]

And as mentioned above, that's JUST the plants, not the grid to support them, correct?

And I can't help but think that the SAME people that want to convert to EVehicles, will shit bricks when we start to build 800ish powerplants. If not them, then their cousins the Environmentalists...

Oh the end to many plant dreams are precisely problems with the “offtakers” or access to the existing grid. The cost of the lines AND substations are goofy.

 

[ACMAVRO]

Autonomous cars @ the track...nothing more than a grown up video game...no thanks...I'll still be on the deserted backroads..far from the crowd...giglin and smilin ear to ear...

I'll be right there with ya M6 and all

 

[1971demon]

BTW, that's JUST for the USA, not for the planet, and apparently 468GW is $1,400,000,000,000.00

Anybody know where that would come from?

Biden and his son will just get it from their friends overseas...

 

[DGatzby]

Biden and his son will just get it from their friends overseas...

That is the big trillion dollar mark!

 

[ChargerChallenger]

Rivian Electric Trucks is happening:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-orders-for-electric-pickup-suv-idUSKBN27R35Y

 

[ChargerChallenger]

Just have to wonder what Tesla is thinking the competition is within a model years reach.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-plans-u-s-launch-in-early-2022-idUSKBN27R1T6

 

[ACMAVRO]

Rivian Electric Trucks is happening:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-orders-for-electric-pickup-suv-idUSKBN27R35Y

Something's probably going on behind the scenes. Seems to me that's a lot to invest (AMZN, F.N) in a company that has no vehicles (yet) in production. Who knows, they could be POS

 

[2fast4u]

It's real, a company in Indiana is also making EV vehicles designed for delivery. I have heard they are going to be a 1 ton chassis outfitted to run 70mph and have around 350 mi range. This is a new startup, not at liberty to divulge details, but it will be a market changer for local deliveries....