Eight years of Happiness to Dodge and now Sadness…….Stellantis ruins it!!!!

[PaVaSteeler]

So it took you how many days to conjure up your response??

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Try a "real" scientific resource

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...l-resource-and-other-things-you-did-not-know/


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So far, none of your responses addresses my initial question or follow up comment. Either you were being tongue-in-cheek in regards to your statement "Oil is a renewable energy resource. (laugh at this one)." and I missed it, or you actually believe it.

If you believe it, the only factual basis would be as I later stated, that you're conflating biofuels with crude when you use the term "oil". Otherwise, if you actually think crude oil is renewable, you're in the same camp as those who believe the Earth is flat, Q is real, and Lizard people live in the center of the Hollow Earth.

 

[PaVaSteeler]

BTW, you copied and pasted every single part of your post.

Lawd help me!!!

Actually I didn't

 

[PaVaSteeler]

Can you cite his sources? That would be hysterical.

FWIW - I ran my truck on biofuel for years, made 1000+ torque with it too…

I'm well aware biofuel is currently available....my poorly worded comment was intended to convey the idea that it isn't as readily produced or available as current crude oil based gasoline is.

 

[DGatzby]

Don't need to rEsEaRch it.

Since we're talking about EVs vs ICE on this thread, and as of yet biofuels are still in limited experimental production, the only "oil" one could infer you were talking about crude oil; if so, you're barking up the wrong tree; it's non-renewable.

If you meant algea based bio fuels....I'd love to see that hit the open market; would solve a LOT of problems AND address the fluctuations in the energy markets. Sadly, still seems a decade or so away. But such "oils" aren't what the average person considers when hearing the word "oil" in a conversation involving EV and ICE vehicles.

We created a farm to grow algae and DID make crude oil in the 2009-2011 period in NM. Problem is they gave it up because the price of crude fell below their cost of manufacturing at the time. So the technology exists. Someone bought that “black box”. You would still use an internal combustion engine.

 

[PaVaSteeler]

We created a farm to grow algae and DID make crude oil in the 2009-2011 period in NM. Problem is they gave it up because the price of crude fell below their cost of manufacturing at the time. So the technology exists. Someone bought that “black box”. You would still use an internal combustion engine.

Sad thing is, anyone with half a brain realizes that sooner or later, the price of crude will rise again. Just as the shale industry was practically shuttered due to the artificial manipulation of oil prices, this viable alternative was shuttered and still birthed before it could get established.

When Exxon "merged" with Mobil, it was at a time when the price of a barrel of oil was around $18, and Mobil's upper management elected to "golden parachute" themselves into retirement via the "merger". The rank and file Mobil folks were livid (and many still are), because before the deal actually closed, the price of crude doubled...but it was too late to reverse the dirty deed.

 

[vortecd]

its 2022...who the fuck owns chickens,,,

lots of people around me. Not everyone lives in the city

 

[DavidKFla]

lots of people around me. Not everyone lives in the city

I know people who grow all of their own food. Have small farm with farm hands.

 

[GdBye]

There was a time I thought about selling the HC but this cements my determination to hold on to what I have. While I actually like the looks of the new 2 door Charger, no way in hell I'm signing up for what's under the skin. I'm not sure the last chapter has been written on ICE, especially since there is no real infrastructure in place to make it convenient, quick, economical and meet the standards we are accustomed to. How am I supposed to take a trip somewhere in an EV knowing that a traffic jam, bad weather, and other unexpected obstacles can leave me stranded by the side of the road somewhere. It would definitely make me think twice about where and when I can travel. I predict that Stellantis is making a big mistake (long term) in their boardroom discussions with the execs all back slap congratulating each other on their brilliant strategy. Time will tell I guess. I think that the manufacturers that offer both options (EV, Hybrid, ICE) are going to have an advantage long term. I'm keeping mine for sure.

 

[ChargerChallenger]

Sad thing is, anyone with half a brain realizes that sooner or later, the price of crude will rise again. Just as the shale industry was practically shuttered due to the artificial manipulation of oil prices, this viable alternative was shuttered and still birthed before it could get established.

When Exxon "merged" with Mobil, it was at a time when the price of a barrel of oil was around $18, and Mobil's upper management elected to "golden parachute" themselves into retirement via the "merger". The rank and file Mobil folks were livid (and many still are), because before the deal actually closed, the price of crude doubled...but it was too late to reverse the dirty deed.

I would not bank on future controlled energy more than ever will be less expensive per se and or even guaranteed. We are witnessing Governing bodies controlling more than ever free markets to advance agendas to appease the save the world movement. And Oil will always fluctuate as it always has but when a electrical company controls a dominant e part of a state then what do you do when they raise their prices? I mean its not like you can call the Electrical company the next state over to compete with them. Its the Misinformation age more than ever which in the end will cost all of us more for energy not less. The transfer of wealth and power more than ever will be in the end held by the Governing Bodies not Private enterprises. And we see it over and over again the Governing Bodies who control their societies are the most expensive and least efficient ones on the planet.

 

[1971demon]

lots of people around me. Not everyone lives in the city

uhhh you live in Middleville...not Hooterville...

 

[AeroF16]

lots of people around me. Not everyone lives in the city

I live in a subdivision that was built 3 years ago. People in my neighborhood have chickens.

 

[1971demon]

I would not bank on future controlled energy more than ever will be less expensive per se and or even guaranteed. We are witnessing Governing bodies controlling more than ever free markets to advance agendas to appease the save the world movement. And Oil will always fluctuate as it always has but when a electrical company controls a dominant e part of a state then what do you do when they raise their prices? I mean its not like you can call the Electrical company the next state over to compete with them. Its the Misinformation age more than ever which in the end will cost all of us more for energy not less. The transfer of wealth and power more than ever will be in the end held by the Governing Bodies not Private enterprises. And we see it over and over again the Governing Bodies who control their societies are the most expensive and least efficient ones on the planet.

I Just don't believe any of us can predict or assess where this whole EV vs fossil fuel scenario is going to play out with any degree of certainty....two things are for sure...the government is not going to loose the billions of dollars of current motor fuel tax revenue without taxing EV powered vehicles to the same degree...and I find it hard to believe a 100 plus year oil industry that has created world dependence for its product...is going to sit back and willingly relinquish market share to such an initiative as EV...regardless of who's behind the movement...