SRT is DEAD!

[NoCoHC]

Don't know if this will make any of you feel better or worse but seems legit.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/stellantis-srt-future/

 

[Illegal_Demon]

Don't know if this will make any of you feel better or worse but seems legit.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/stellantis-srt-future/

Welp, here we go....

Tavares, who visited Detroit last week, told reporters he supports performance vehicles, including the Dodge brand, but he expects electric motors and batteries to provide the torque and exhilaration of future models. The CEO has a team working on plans to grow Dodge as a performance vehicle brand—just don't expect it to be a repeat of the combustion-fueled power that was its hallmark in the past.
But we all know the Hellcat V-8 engine's days are numbered with ever-stringent emissions regulations. Electrification appears to be the way forward for the company's performance vehicles, some of which are due to wear the "SRT" badge.

 

[Illegal_Demon]

More from the new merged CEO Tavares on Dodge....

Preserving The Essence Of Dodge
Dodge is a very different case, Tavares said, as it's successful in its segments. Namely performance muscle cars. The automaker must take pains to protect the acceleration, torque, and dynamics that make Dodge customers buy Chargers, Challengers, and even Durangos—the thrill of driving them.

But the Hellcat supercharged V-8 and its more than 700 horses won't meet emissions standards forever and Dodge is expected to turn to electric power to keep the thrill ride going. "We have the technology to deliver the torque, dynamics, and acceleration feeling, while also dramatically reducing the emissions," Tavares said.

One tricky part? Continuing to offer a signature sound to replace the rumble of a powerful V-8. "It's something we have to work on. There are solutions for that." Tavares noted that younger generations have a different perception of what makes for a powerful sound. He pledges to bring Dodge into the next century while keeping its current attributes, protecting the brand with new technology that imbues performance while reinforcing its appeal and lowering CO2 emissions.

As Stellantis electrifies vehicles, the way components and batteries are packaged—lowering a vehicle's center of gravity, for example—ensures the future of performance vehicles for all of the company's brands, Tavares said.

 

[Slowpoke387]

One tricky part? Continuing to offer a signature sound to replace the rumble of a powerful V-8. "It's something we have to work on. There are solutions for that." Tavares noted that younger generations have a different perception of what makes for a powerful sound.

Exactly what ive been thinking. Catering to the younger generation’s perception of muscle and it’s sound is the future. Think electric ricers. I’m sure they’ll be fast but they’ll have no soul, just like today’s ricers. Souless little buzz bombs with fake noise and the younger crowd will eat them right up. Ugh.

 

[Magnified]

Don't know if this will make any of you feel better or worse but seems legit.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/stellantis-srt-future/

As I mentioned... they're spreading the DNA or whatever they want to call it. Someone will work on the Fiat 500 Redeye

 

[ChargerChallenger]

Exactly what ive been thinking. Catering to the younger generation’s perception of muscle and it’s sound is the future. Think electric ricers. I’m sure they’ll be fast but they’ll have no soul, just like today’s ricers. Souless little buzz bombs with fake noise and the younger crowd will eat them right up. Ugh.

The noise of A V8 engine will be incorporated into the sound of the Electric drivetrain. I test drove the new Mustang Mach E yesterday and they have a V6 engine sound piped into the car. It’s an optional setting among other settings on the level of performance. The car is actually pretty cool and fun to drive, it’s the Extended Range which claims 300 miles. I have been doing a lot of research on Fords new Mach E. The first thing you have to evaluate is the at home charging. A conventional 120 outlet is not a wise charging answer. Takes days to recharge the vehicle and the 240 volt appliance dryer plug will cut it down to say half a day or more as long as the battery is not totally dead. But the real kicker is upgrading to the Super Charger station which this is huge money for the non electrician capable person. Depending on your breaker panel having enough Amps to carry additional draw you may have to install a Sub Panel. The wiring is a #6 gauge which ain’t cheap as well and the knowledge to wire your panel and install the Charging station is expensive if you have to hire an electrician. Your talking 2k to 4K depending on if your doing it or someone else is doing it. So in essence for anyone thinking buying an electric car is going to save them money on not buying gas that’s a huge misconception. And yeh what about paying the KW to charge the vehicle as well and if you do not live in a home with this availability you will be going to a charging station and sit there for awhile as well as paying for it. The movement of Electric is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way Stellantis can justify paying millions upon millions to Tesla for Carbon Credits. Which in turn only means the Ice in front of you will no longer propel you and the Energizer Bunny will 😁

 

[ChargerChallenger]

Ford's Europe car lineup to be all-electric by 2030
LONDON (Reuters) - Ford Motor Co on Wednesday said its car lineup in Europe will be all-electric by 2030 as the U.S. automaker races to get ahead of CO2 emissions targets and looming bans in some countries on fossil fuel vehicles.

 

[The Englishman]

I’m wanted one of these when I was an eight year old

 

[jroyk]

I’m wanted one of these when I was an eight year old

I put baseball cards in the spokes of my bikes. Might have to try that on my EV’s.

 

[The Englishman]

We used lolly sticks🤓

 

[Illegal_Demon]

Great p

The noise of A V8 engine will be incorporated into the sound of the Electric drivetrain. I test drove the new Mustang Mach E yesterday and they have a V6 engine sound piped into the car. It’s an optional setting among other settings on the level of performance. The car is actually pretty cool and fun to drive, it’s the Extended Range which claims 300 miles. I have been doing a lot of research on Fords new Mach E. The first thing you have to evaluate is the at home charging. A conventional 120 outlet is not a wise charging answer. Takes days to recharge the vehicle and the 240 volt appliance dryer plug will cut it down to say half a day or more as long as the battery is not totally dead. But the real kicker is upgrading to the Super Charger station which this is huge money for the non electrician capable person. Depending on your breaker panel having enough Amps to carry additional draw you may have to install a Sub Panel. The wiring is a #6 gauge which ain’t cheap as well and the knowledge to wire your panel and install the Charging station is expensive if you have to hire an electrician. Your talking 2k to 4K depending on if your doing it or someone else is doing it. So in essence for anyone thinking buying an electric car is going to save them money on not buying gas that’s a huge misconception. And yeh what about paying the KW to charge the vehicle as well and if you do not live in a home with this availability you will be going to a charging station and sit there for awhile as well as paying for it. The movement of Electric is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way Stellantis can justify paying millions upon millions to Tesla for Carbon Credits. Which in turn only means the Ice in front of you will no longer propel you and the Energizer Bunny will 😁

Great points once again. My wife bought a plug-in hybrid Kia Niro and she LOVES it. Personally, I see why. Besides being a ride that basically has had near-zero cost to maintain it since new (2 yrs and counting) it's the perfect transition car. For starters, you get all-electric power that takes a few hours to charge using a basic 120 outlet. For most days (95%) this is all she needs. Her work is 10 miles away and the electric charge is good for 26 miles. On the off days when we are going further than 26 miles, it uses gas. She has probably put in 2 tanks in the last 6 months. And when you do run the gas motor, it still a hybrid drivetrain, meaning it's not all ICE and has a non-plug-in second electric motor as well. So even when the plug-in battery is done (past 26 mi) you're still getting ~55mpg. Oh, and we netted 10K in tax credits (state plus federal) when we bought it new. Out the door price was ~20K. With all the benefits and at that price it really is a great crossover vehicle.

Plug-in hybrids will eventually become obsolete but for the next decade if you want a green car that's also practical this is the way to go, imo.

Full-blown EVs have some infrastructure bugaboos to work out yet. While the industry grapples with that, I'll be driving my all-ice ride and wifey has the plug-in. Win-win.

Oh, and as a bonus, happy wife, happy life!

 

[Markp]

Until 50 years go by and people realize EVs have done the same or more damage to the environment.

 

[Finface]

The noise of A V8 engine will be incorporated into the sound of the Electric drivetrain. I test drove the new Mustang Mach E yesterday and they have a V6 engine sound piped into the car. It’s an optional setting among other settings on the level of performance. The car is actually pretty cool and fun to drive, it’s the Extended Range which claims 300 miles. I have been doing a lot of research on Fords new Mach E. The first thing you have to evaluate is the at home charging. A conventional 120 outlet is not a wise charging answer. Takes days to recharge the vehicle and the 240 volt appliance dryer plug will cut it down to say half a day or more as long as the battery is not totally dead. But the real kicker is upgrading to the Super Charger station which this is huge money for the non electrician capable person. Depending on your breaker panel having enough Amps to carry additional draw you may have to install a Sub Panel. The wiring is a #6 gauge which ain’t cheap as well and the knowledge to wire your panel and install the Charging station is expensive if you have to hire an electrician. Your talking 2k to 4K depending on if your doing it or someone else is doing it. So in essence for anyone thinking buying an electric car is going to save them money on not buying gas that’s a huge misconception. And yeh what about paying the KW to charge the vehicle as well and if you do not live in a home with this availability you will be going to a charging station and sit there for awhile as well as paying for it. The movement of Electric is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way Stellantis can justify paying millions upon millions to Tesla for Carbon Credits. Which in turn only means the Ice in front of you will no longer propel you and the Energizer Bunny will 😁

Does anyone know on a purely cost per mile basis whether the KW bill is less than, equals, or exceeds the gasoline bill? Compare something like a 300 trip?

 

[Finface]

Don't know if this will make any of you feel better or worse but seems legit.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/stellantis-srt-future/

I thought this excerpt from the linked MT article, "Wanna Buy a 710 HP Durango?", was eye-catching;

"Dodge was only ever going to build 2,000 examples of the hellcat-powered three-row SUV during its only model year—2021—after which the powerful model would cease to exist. The supercharged Hellcat V-8 engine won't pass new emissions regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year, thus killing the possibility that the most powerful SUV to have ever roamed out of a dealership and onto the streets will be more than just a one-year special."

If a Hellcat powered Durango "won't pass new emission regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year", how can any Hellcat engine pass them?

 

[BULL]

I thought this excerpt from the linked MT article, "Wanna Buy a 710 HP Durango?", was eye-catching;

"Dodge was only ever going to build 2,000 examples of the hellcat-powered three-row SUV during its only model year—2021—after which the powerful model would cease to exist. The supercharged Hellcat V-8 engine won't pass new emissions regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year, thus killing the possibility that the most powerful SUV to have ever roamed out of a dealership and onto the streets will be more than just a one-year special."

If a Hellcat powered Durango "won't pass new emission regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year", how can any Hellcat engine pass them?

I hope I'm right in that GVW comes into play with the standard.

 

[Illegal_Demon]

Does anyone know on a purely cost per mile basis whether the KW bill is less than, equals, or exceeds the gasoline bill? Compare something like a 300 trip?

Oh EV is definitely cheaper. ~.10 a KWH around my area. so if it takes 10h to recharge after 300mi trip then u just paid $1.00. Even 20h then its $2.00

For gas/diesel, 300mi/30mpg = 10 gal x 2.50 = $25.00. On top of added cost, EV is point source pollution which is a lot better/easier to control vs non point source (millions of individual cars). Power plants can also do things like carbon sequestration, use renewables to generate electricity etc. Li-Ion Batteries have their costs and pollution too, but if we are going to deal in actual facts (vs made up bs/alt facts), petro pollution (cars, planes, boats, coal plants etc) and asst GW impacts are >>>> what we will be looking at once carbon neutrality is achieved sometime later this century.

 

[Illegal_Demon]

I thought this excerpt from the linked MT article, "Wanna Buy a 710 HP Durango?", was eye-catching;

"Dodge was only ever going to build 2,000 examples of the hellcat-powered three-row SUV during its only model year—2021—after which the powerful model would cease to exist. The supercharged Hellcat V-8 engine won't pass new emissions regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year, thus killing the possibility that the most powerful SUV to have ever roamed out of a dealership and onto the streets will be more than just a one-year special."

If a Hellcat powered Durango "won't pass new emission regulations that come into effect for the 2022 model year", how can any Hellcat engine pass them?

What's super confusing here is that light trucks (and SUVs?) typically have LESS stringent emissions hoops to go through vs passenger cars.....so I am not sure what this means. The logical conclusion based on that text would mean no SC V8 Hellcats in 2022....What say you Stellantis??

 

[Finface]

I hope I'm right in that GVW comes into play with the standard

Oh EV is definitely cheaper. ~.10 a KWH around my area. so if it takes 10h to recharge after 300mi trip then u just paid $1.00. Even 20h then its $2.00

For gas/diesel, 300mi/30mpg = 10 gal x 2.50 = $25.00. On top of added cost, EV is point source pollution which is a lot better/easier to control vs non point source (millions of individual cars). Power plants can also do things like carbon sequestration, use renewables to generate electricity etc. Li-Ion Batteries have their costs and pollution too, but if we are going to deal in actual facts (vs made up bs/alt facts), petro pollution (cars, planes, boats, coal plants etc) and asst GW impacts are >>>> what we will be looking at once carbon neutrality is achieved sometime later this century.

Thank you for the reply on cost comparison (I did not know how much cheaper electric would be), and you're right about the single point pollution control aspects of power plants. I suppose for people living in the country, or with the room in a suburb, there will be dedicated solar cells available to charge cars. I live in the country in Kentucky, and a decade ago looked into either windmill, or solar, or a combination of the two renewables, as long term solutions to being dependent on the grid. Back then you could have the utility meter run backwards when you're developing more electricity than your house drew (and they would "buy" it back for wholesale price), and it would run forwards as usual when you needed grid power. This sidestepped the "off the grid" problem of a big array of caustic batteries in your basement which back then only lasted about five years and were expensive and unwieldy. The meter direction thing sounded pretty good, but when I checked into it I discovered the utility company required the homeowner to buy over a million bucks worth of liability insurance in case something when wrong and somebody elsewhere got hurt. I abandoned the idea, and electricity is still pretty cheap thanks to the coal plant conversions to natural gas.

Bill Maher on his HBO show Real Time, has a counter for the days since he applied for a solar collection "shed" in his backyard somewhere near Los Angeles. It's over 1,000 days - and it has become his "how stupid is California's red tape?" running joke. We hear a lot of talk about going green, but apparently the government is making it unduly difficult!

I read an article on how electric cars just kill ICE power plants when it comes to acceleration - because their power band is "everywhere" and torque is instantly available. As far as fake engine noise goes they will need to do something to identify a car is coming. If they don't we'll all be getting run over by silent vehicles.

 

[1971demon]

The noise of A V8 engine will be incorporated into the sound of the Electric drivetrain. I test drove the new Mustang Mach E yesterday and they have a V6 engine sound piped into the car. It’s an optional setting among other settings on the level of performance. The car is actually pretty cool and fun to drive, it’s the Extended Range which claims 300 miles. I have been doing a lot of research on Fords new Mach E. The first thing you have to evaluate is the at home charging. A conventional 120 outlet is not a wise charging answer. Takes days to recharge the vehicle and the 240 volt appliance dryer plug will cut it down to say half a day or more as long as the battery is not totally dead. But the real kicker is upgrading to the Super Charger station which this is huge money for the non electrician capable person. Depending on your breaker panel having enough Amps to carry additional draw you may have to install a Sub Panel. The wiring is a #6 gauge which ain’t cheap as well and the knowledge to wire your panel and install the Charging station is expensive if you have to hire an electrician. Your talking 2k to 4K depending on if your doing it or someone else is doing it. So in essence for anyone thinking buying an electric car is going to save them money on not buying gas that’s a huge misconception. And yeh what about paying the KW to charge the vehicle as well and if you do not live in a home with this availability you will be going to a charging station and sit there for awhile as well as paying for it. The movement of Electric is getting bigger and bigger and there is no way Stellantis can justify paying millions upon millions to Tesla for Carbon Credits. Which in turn only means the Ice in front of you will no longer propel you and the Energizer Bunny will 😁

Piped in V6 sound????....thats like kissin yer sister on the lips...WTF...no thanks.....so CC...you drove it huh..so how does yer sisters tongue taste???

 

[Jimmy N.]

I suppose for people living in the country, or with the room in a suburb, there will be dedicated solar cells available to charge cars.

Umm, okay. So I buy an electric vehicle, come home in the evening and plug it in to charge from...solar panels?

Unless I mount a spotlight that illuminates the solar panels, how will that work out?? We have very clear skies, and the moon obviously shines every now and then, but that won't be enough.